He's already on the road to being a full-fledged right wing martyr. The only good thing I have to say about Rogan is that thanks to him, I now know that Apple Music is better than Spotify by a wide margin.
Thanks for staying with the story Eric. As a music maker (record producer, songwriter, guitarist, recording artist, studio owner) Spotify has been a horror show since it's inception. Listening to users rationalize their participation in the platform is deeply depressing. The Rogan Thing strikes a chord because it differentiates what they are truly willing to invest in (advancing millions for the production of a podcast with the money they have made from devaluing a whole class of people's assets). It's not just the pittance that they pay out but the awful sound. Other platforms (like Apple Music) have been collecting hi res files for over 5 years. Apple's Lossless format contains literally 20 times the sonic information than Spotify does for the listener. After years of advising folks to bypass Spotify I finally relented after listening to a talk with Brian Koppelman where he revealed that every single song that he'd ever selected for inclusion in his film and tv shows had been selected using Spotify. Film and TV is the last place where music creators actually get paid fairly so I had to relent and allow the placement. Oh, and that's my buddy Andy York playing the electric guitar on the Mellencamp/Springsteen song.
Anyone who defends Joe Rogan's right to spread disinformation about Covid-19 & vaccines as freedom of speech is wrong.
I don't understand how a certain group of Americans understood the First Amendment to mean they can spread disinformation & hate speech with no responsibility & accountability for consequences.
Yet these same group of Americans are okay with banning books that discuss slavery, systemic inequality, systemic racism, genocide of Native Americans & Jews, LGBTQ (particularly transgender people), etc. just because they're uncomfortable with the hard truths.
yes, my former boss at Condé Nast Entertainment is the one who did this deal, given what this person now does at spotify. I think this person, who spent 20 plus years running TV networks, got the idea in their head that the digital world is free wheeling unlike that network stuff and you can say anything, so LET'S DO THIS. but if you are as clueless about politics in the real world as this person is, this is a recipe for disaster, and it has proven such as I and many others who know this person predicted it would. The idea that once you are able to broadcast ANY idea, that you should then go for the extremes for ratings, is too tempting for a suit whose compensation includes subscription numbers bonuses. always will be.
My mom sent this to me. Short read and please check out the short YouTube link. Roided Rogan going after a woman with a PhD in Primatology for calling in and telling him there is no such thing as the "Bondo" ape. I can't get over how he immediately snaps. Obviously his screener gave him the heads up (as they do) but he absolutely let her have it and simply would not even let her say more than 2 words without talking over her. Imagine telling someone with a PhD to "look online" regarding something they've dedicated their entire life to!
As was the case with Limbaugh, Beck and now Tucker Carlson, the bigger the audience (and paycheck) the more outrageous the content. Enough is never too much when your goal is to call attention to yourself and enrage rather than inform. And like Limbaugh and his ilk, the immediate defense for clowns and grifters like Rogan is "free speech." Spotify is NOT subject to the first amendment. Rogan and "Quack Malone" have no *right* to spew their bullshit on Spotify, and Spotify has no obligation to let them do so.
I am shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you, to discover that Spotify is all about making money. Your calling Rogan the next Rush Limbaugh is well-spotted. As we all know, there is good money to be made talking sh*t - the right wing is a money-making machine for the grifters and con men who pray on their gullible base, telling them what they want to hear.
What Rogan is doing is not all that different from what shock jocks do on the radio - calculated outrageous behavior to entertain their listeners. The difference is they have to deal with the FCC over what they can and can't say. Digital media has no such constraints and they are cashing in while they can.
No one is stripping Joe Rogan of his First Amendment protections, but he is suffering from the consequences. The system is working as designed.
As for Spotify, I’ve been boycotting it since forever, mostly because I have a handful of favorite musicians who have said that they cannot make a living from the music being on Spotify and they cannot make a living without it being on Spotify. Some have even said that they wish for the bad old days of the labels controlling everything. I’m not sure that my Apple Music subscription is a solution, but I feel good that I’m not in any way supporting Joe Rogan.
Quite a few Americans seem to have lost the plot and are equating freedom of expression with the dangerous practice of encouraging stupidity. As adults, are we not supposed to know the difference between, say, a podcast about sexual behavior and one encouraging people to go out with guns and kill people? One is controversial and harms no one, but the other potentially inspires lethal acts. By the same token, Rogan and his ilk inspire reckless behavior by spreading lies about covid and vaccines, and soon we'll be seeing a toll of 1 million dead in the US. Why the obsession with a bullshit brand of "freedom" that has lost the truth of what freedom really means (it involves responsibility and reason, otherwise it is merely license)? America continues to dumb itself down by eschewing reason in the name of "but I want it, therefore I should have it."
We knew that there would be a race to see who would fill Rush Limbaugh's shoes. Joe Rogan won. However, at least there is finally some pushback against such a dangerous voice in contrast to the free pass Limbaugh was given. These folks throwing down their free speech cards need to understand that even in 2022, you can't yell fire in a public theatre. That of course reflects the misinformation on covid. His racist remarks is in a whole other category and simply should not be tolerated. I really wish that the left leaning billionaires would promote and fund fact based progressive journalism to counter the constant haranguing from the fascists news programs that have permeated our country.
Streaming screws nearly all musicians except for superstars, and Spotify screws them more than other services.
And then Spotify also has willingly embraced the tar baby that is Rogan. (Yes, I’m familiar with where that term came from and the irony here, I have to say, cracks me up.)
Anybody remember Cliven Bundy? He's the Nevada rancher who wouldn't pay his grazing fees, and this led to a standoff, threats of violence, the Bundy family becoming right-wing heroes, the Malheur takeover, you name it.
Nevada's republican leaders were very sympathetic toward him and his plight, and defending him ... until he made racist statements. Then they all walked it back. They included Governor Brian Sandoval, who in his first campaign and first term was a right-winger, then became a moderate republican when he was term-limited and actually accomplished some good things; now he is president of the university in Reno, which happens to be a Morrill Land Grant institution, meaning it uses land that Bundy thinks was his but actually belonged to Indigenous People.
Another was Dean Heller, who as a US senator kept pushing bipartisanship while failing to pass any major bipartisan legislation, kept changing his mind about Trump, lost his reelection bid, and now is running for governor and trying to sound like Trump is too liberal for him.
To put it simply, you can no longer be a decent human being and be a loyal republican. You also cannot be a decent human being and encourage Spotify in any way.
In what screwed up society would someone like Joe Rogan be worthy of a $100 million contract to spout belligerently ignorant, uneducated, racist BS? Oh, yeah ... right.
He's already on the road to being a full-fledged right wing martyr. The only good thing I have to say about Rogan is that thanks to him, I now know that Apple Music is better than Spotify by a wide margin.
Thanks for staying with the story Eric. As a music maker (record producer, songwriter, guitarist, recording artist, studio owner) Spotify has been a horror show since it's inception. Listening to users rationalize their participation in the platform is deeply depressing. The Rogan Thing strikes a chord because it differentiates what they are truly willing to invest in (advancing millions for the production of a podcast with the money they have made from devaluing a whole class of people's assets). It's not just the pittance that they pay out but the awful sound. Other platforms (like Apple Music) have been collecting hi res files for over 5 years. Apple's Lossless format contains literally 20 times the sonic information than Spotify does for the listener. After years of advising folks to bypass Spotify I finally relented after listening to a talk with Brian Koppelman where he revealed that every single song that he'd ever selected for inclusion in his film and tv shows had been selected using Spotify. Film and TV is the last place where music creators actually get paid fairly so I had to relent and allow the placement. Oh, and that's my buddy Andy York playing the electric guitar on the Mellencamp/Springsteen song.
Anyone who defends Joe Rogan's right to spread disinformation about Covid-19 & vaccines as freedom of speech is wrong.
I don't understand how a certain group of Americans understood the First Amendment to mean they can spread disinformation & hate speech with no responsibility & accountability for consequences.
Yet these same group of Americans are okay with banning books that discuss slavery, systemic inequality, systemic racism, genocide of Native Americans & Jews, LGBTQ (particularly transgender people), etc. just because they're uncomfortable with the hard truths.
yes, my former boss at Condé Nast Entertainment is the one who did this deal, given what this person now does at spotify. I think this person, who spent 20 plus years running TV networks, got the idea in their head that the digital world is free wheeling unlike that network stuff and you can say anything, so LET'S DO THIS. but if you are as clueless about politics in the real world as this person is, this is a recipe for disaster, and it has proven such as I and many others who know this person predicted it would. The idea that once you are able to broadcast ANY idea, that you should then go for the extremes for ratings, is too tempting for a suit whose compensation includes subscription numbers bonuses. always will be.
My mom sent this to me. Short read and please check out the short YouTube link. Roided Rogan going after a woman with a PhD in Primatology for calling in and telling him there is no such thing as the "Bondo" ape. I can't get over how he immediately snaps. Obviously his screener gave him the heads up (as they do) but he absolutely let her have it and simply would not even let her say more than 2 words without talking over her. Imagine telling someone with a PhD to "look online" regarding something they've dedicated their entire life to!
https://futurism.com/joe-rogan-yelling-scientist
As was the case with Limbaugh, Beck and now Tucker Carlson, the bigger the audience (and paycheck) the more outrageous the content. Enough is never too much when your goal is to call attention to yourself and enrage rather than inform. And like Limbaugh and his ilk, the immediate defense for clowns and grifters like Rogan is "free speech." Spotify is NOT subject to the first amendment. Rogan and "Quack Malone" have no *right* to spew their bullshit on Spotify, and Spotify has no obligation to let them do so.
I am shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you, to discover that Spotify is all about making money. Your calling Rogan the next Rush Limbaugh is well-spotted. As we all know, there is good money to be made talking sh*t - the right wing is a money-making machine for the grifters and con men who pray on their gullible base, telling them what they want to hear.
What Rogan is doing is not all that different from what shock jocks do on the radio - calculated outrageous behavior to entertain their listeners. The difference is they have to deal with the FCC over what they can and can't say. Digital media has no such constraints and they are cashing in while they can.
No one is stripping Joe Rogan of his First Amendment protections, but he is suffering from the consequences. The system is working as designed.
As for Spotify, I’ve been boycotting it since forever, mostly because I have a handful of favorite musicians who have said that they cannot make a living from the music being on Spotify and they cannot make a living without it being on Spotify. Some have even said that they wish for the bad old days of the labels controlling everything. I’m not sure that my Apple Music subscription is a solution, but I feel good that I’m not in any way supporting Joe Rogan.
Quite a few Americans seem to have lost the plot and are equating freedom of expression with the dangerous practice of encouraging stupidity. As adults, are we not supposed to know the difference between, say, a podcast about sexual behavior and one encouraging people to go out with guns and kill people? One is controversial and harms no one, but the other potentially inspires lethal acts. By the same token, Rogan and his ilk inspire reckless behavior by spreading lies about covid and vaccines, and soon we'll be seeing a toll of 1 million dead in the US. Why the obsession with a bullshit brand of "freedom" that has lost the truth of what freedom really means (it involves responsibility and reason, otherwise it is merely license)? America continues to dumb itself down by eschewing reason in the name of "but I want it, therefore I should have it."
We knew that there would be a race to see who would fill Rush Limbaugh's shoes. Joe Rogan won. However, at least there is finally some pushback against such a dangerous voice in contrast to the free pass Limbaugh was given. These folks throwing down their free speech cards need to understand that even in 2022, you can't yell fire in a public theatre. That of course reflects the misinformation on covid. His racist remarks is in a whole other category and simply should not be tolerated. I really wish that the left leaning billionaires would promote and fund fact based progressive journalism to counter the constant haranguing from the fascists news programs that have permeated our country.
Streaming screws nearly all musicians except for superstars, and Spotify screws them more than other services.
And then Spotify also has willingly embraced the tar baby that is Rogan. (Yes, I’m familiar with where that term came from and the irony here, I have to say, cracks me up.)
Rogan is a tough talking alpha ignoramus as is his right. It’s that he has an audience that’s concerning. Not that that makes him special; we just had a POTUS like him. (And for the good that did the nation, see this: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/06/opinion/covid-pandemic-policy-trust.html.)
Which is to say Spotify deserves Rogan.
Spotify is Swedish and Sweden is a country that constantly speaks peace and love while selling military hardware to anyone willing to pay.
"The Rock" brought something else to mind.
Anybody remember Cliven Bundy? He's the Nevada rancher who wouldn't pay his grazing fees, and this led to a standoff, threats of violence, the Bundy family becoming right-wing heroes, the Malheur takeover, you name it.
Nevada's republican leaders were very sympathetic toward him and his plight, and defending him ... until he made racist statements. Then they all walked it back. They included Governor Brian Sandoval, who in his first campaign and first term was a right-winger, then became a moderate republican when he was term-limited and actually accomplished some good things; now he is president of the university in Reno, which happens to be a Morrill Land Grant institution, meaning it uses land that Bundy thinks was his but actually belonged to Indigenous People.
Another was Dean Heller, who as a US senator kept pushing bipartisanship while failing to pass any major bipartisan legislation, kept changing his mind about Trump, lost his reelection bid, and now is running for governor and trying to sound like Trump is too liberal for him.
To put it simply, you can no longer be a decent human being and be a loyal republican. You also cannot be a decent human being and encourage Spotify in any way.
In what screwed up society would someone like Joe Rogan be worthy of a $100 million contract to spout belligerently ignorant, uneducated, racist BS? Oh, yeah ... right.
I have always considered Spotify the AM Radio of streaming services. With Rogan, that point just gets hammered home, again and again and....
Thank you. The N-Word confession had gotten lost in all the falderol about music.
This brings it all together. A Covid/Racism National Disaster.